Ganster films and Racism

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Ganster films and Racism

Post  Polidano on Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:25 am

Think back to each of the gangster movies viewed and discuss how the writers of these incorporated racism into their screenplays.  Be specific as to when characters or a character in particular speak or behave negatively towards another race.  Why do you think showing this ugly side of human nature might be important to films such as these?

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Racism

Post  zoyadavis on Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:15 pm

In Carleteo's Way we hear how Mexican's and Latino's are talked about. We hear the different slang words that are used to call them, as well as when the take about the Latino's being run out of the community and how the younger generation has no respect for them.

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Carlito's Way

Post  Marielle M on Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:15 pm

In Carlito's Way, many of the characters speak in heavy slang with an excess of swearing. This could be interpreted as a racist portrayal of Latinos making them seem unintelligent. The intention in writing the characters' dialogue like this was likely to increase the realism of street gangs at the time, but the fact that it is mainly Latino characters who speak this way makes it seem more racist. Many of the Italian gangsters shown in the movie don't speak this way, thus begging the question of whether the slang was introduced to increase realism, or possibly as a racist jab towards Latino people. Such portrayals could possibly have the benefit of showing the reality of attitudes on the street and making gangster films appear more gritty and controversial.

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Re: Ganster films and Racism

Post  angelG on Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:27 am

There is a ton of swearing and rasicist remarks in pretty much all the gagster movies exept for i think angels with dirty faces. I remember in either God Father or Untouchables when they are remarking on how you cant be a gangster or work with gangsters unless you are Italian.Showing the ugly side of human nature in these movies helps up to either connect with a character or dislike them.

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Carlitos Way Racism

Post  jacob kennedy on Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:35 pm

Racism is really demonstrated in the film carlito's way. Usually in gangster films you don't see Latino gangsters and they betray them to be a little different in how they talk and how they act. They use different slang like "Holmes" and talk in a strong Latino accent. They also betray them to be much lower class than the other gangters , kinda of like they don't matter as much as white gangsters.

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Re: Ganster films and Racism

Post  amychristina on Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:14 pm

Showing racism in gangster films might be important to these types of films because with there being gangs, shootings, hitmen, and all these gangster related situations happening in real life, I believe that most of these types of things tie in with racism somehow and so racism is portrayed in ways to make the problems seem more real. It is a huge controversy and has been for the longest time, so writers incorporate it into their films, especially gangster films, to put more emphasis and attention on just how disgusting the whole ordeal is. I specifically remember Kleinfeld calling Carlito really racist Mexican/Latino names, and though they're friends who joke around with one another, its still terribly rude to call someone such derogatory names. Also, in The Godfather when the Five Families get together to talk, there is a mention of blacks being called animals when it came to taking/selling drugs or something. I would say this stuff was also included by the writers of these films because around the time when these movies were made, racism was almost like a social norm, and not including it would not be accurate to the time periods.

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Re: Ganster films and Racism

Post  Serinadacosta on Sat Oct 22, 2016 10:52 am

I think that in the films that we've been watching about gangsters are racist because when the gangsters were still going as each other there was still black people that were getting criticized by their colour. Even in the godfather when There was a meeting with all the five families One of them said they wouldn't want to sell anything to kids or dark people. The racism in every movie up until 1970s was racist. Even though some people might not have notice it was very hard to do find. This showed the negative side of things bc they wanted to prove that they were better then anyone.

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Re: Ganster films and Racism

Post  reema_balouch on Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:15 am


Angels with Dirty faces didn't have much racism in it other than the fact there were no black or people with colour Incorporated in the film. Girls also did not play major roles in this movie and assumed their position of being innocent and motherly.

The Untouchables had some racial undertones when differing between Canadians and Americans. The Canadian police are deemed to be less intelligent and ruthless. When the officer goes up to Ness and says they he does not agree with his methods Ness replies with "well, you're not from Chicago" and exits the premises. There was also lots of mis en scene to portray the American dream and show that women are only used to bare children and take care of the house as the men and go and do all the work. The director accentuates this absence of femininity when Ness is visited by a crying mother whose daughters death was a result of Al Capone's doings. She and his wife are some of the only women seen.


The Godfather had slight racial undertones as well. There was very obvious dialogue that indicated if you aren't Italian you can't or won't be a good gangster. No coloured or black people played significant roles. In fact they are discriminated by racist remarks from one of the heads of the families. When talking about drugs the man says "..and I don't want it sold to children..sell it to the dark people..they are animals anyway.." This was said during a business meeting and racism was a normal and known attitude of for them. Organized crime started with things like gambling and prohibition. After the end of prohibition gangs started looking for things to substitute the income and so they started selling drugs.

In Carlito's Way the Puerto Ricans are portrayed to be very uneducated and dirty. They swear excessively as part of their culture. Their profanity and derogatory remarks are seen to be jokes, but in reality dehumanizing and offensive. All of them also talk in a thick accent and are ruthless. Especially Carlito who we see swearing the most. They also aren't as rich as the white gangsters seen in the other films either. They’re trying to make a living with fists, drugs, and guns. They are not treated with the same respect by other civilians as the privileged white gangsters are.

All the movies incorporate some type of racism or inequality in the screenplay to add a realistic effect even though they might be stereotypes. However, in all the movies one thing can be agreed on and that's that the life of a gangster never gets a happy ending. With Angels with Dirty Faces Rocky spent his life escaping the justice system until the end were all his crimes caught up to him and he was sentenced to death. Secondly, In the untouchables although it was difficult Capone was eventually incarcerated for 11 because of tax. Thirdly, in the Godfather Don Corleone was a wonderful family man, but never the less a gangster who people attempted to murder. Even though he survived multiple gun shot wounds he ended up dying and having his worst fear come true of his youngest son running the family business. Finally, we see great character development for Carlito who was a gangster and a heartbreaker. After getting out of jail he changes his ways to become clean and rekindle his love with Gail. However, he gets caught up with his morals of trying to help a friend and after running away from his assassins and getting on a train to run away, he is shot. He will never be able to run away from what he use to be, no matter how much he changes it will follow him until death.

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Re: Ganster films and Racism

Post  dannyd76 on Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:30 pm

In angels with dirty faces there isn't much racism in the movie but this is probably because the movie has only white actors and actresses in it. So the racism is more in the casting not actually the film.
In the untouchables racism is between Capone's Italians and the Irish because that is all Chicago was back in the 1930s. There was only white people in the movie so there wasn't racism between colour but just between background and ethnicity, an example of this is when Malone calls out Stone for being Italian and asks why he should trust him. Carlito's way he is Puerto Rican so others would call him a druggie and what not because that is what Puerto Ricans are known for by stereotype and Carlito is made fun of because he looks Italian but is Puerto Rican. In the God father there is just white actors and actresses so there is no racism of skin colour but there's racism between some of the families because one of them wasn't Italian so it was racism of background as well an example of this is when they speak of the Tattaligas and how they are Turkish or something along those lines. Showing this side of people in these movies makes it more authentic because an Italian mob would only consist of Italians which is what happens in the movies as well so racism in the films makes it authentic

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Gangster films and Racism

Post  marlonG99 on Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:42 pm

In Carlito's Way the film displayed a great deal of racial slurs and insults. The way they displayed realism of gangsters who don't use diction that often is what makes the film have a feel of the real world. Without having racist screenplay we wouldn't have a rel outlook of how gangsters actually acted and talked to other gangsters. In Carlito's Way many racial comments and insults were mostly towards to Latino's like in Carlito's community/ enviroment.

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Gangster films and racism

Post  Hannahtamlin7 on Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:43 pm

The main film that portrays racism to me is the god father. in this film you really hear them put down anyone who is not italian. for example the one brother who is dating the non italian girlfriend is basically not in the movie for a lot of it because they do not approve of him dating her. in Carlitos way you hear a lot of mexicans swearing quit frequently. this makes viewers get the impression that that the are unintelligent and unclassy.

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Re: Ganster films and Racism

Post  Paolo12 on Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:32 pm


In Carleteo's Way we hear how Carlito and his friends are being treated mostly because they're all Mexican and Latino. They are treated with very little respect and with a variety of different racial slurs, slang and disrespect. People must see how they get treated and must change their ways because racism still exist today.

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Re: Ganster films and Racism

Post  sophie sorhaitz on Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:45 pm

In Carlito's way they use a lot of swearing and vulgar words they speak with accents and it tries to make Latinos l sound not smart and like they are going to be run out of the country and that they shouldn't really be like in America because threy just aren't very smart people and they swear A lot and result to gang activities.

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Re: Ganster films and Racism

Post  Polidano on Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:11 pm

sophie sorhaitz wrote: In Carlito's way they use a lot of swearing and vulgar words they speak with accents and it tries to make Latinos l sound not smart and like they are going to be run out of the country and that they shouldn't really be like in America because threy just aren't  very smart people and they swear A lot and result to gang activities.

You are commenting on how Latinos are depicted in Carlito's Way (I believe), but the question asks how is racism integrated into the screenplays...that is, how does the screen writer tackle it?  Are character racist?  And if so, why?  To what end?

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